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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [M]Poll on Welcomer
| [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289109] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 18:25 |
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As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to how
people feel about the Welcomer, so:
Do you think it's perfect as it is?
If not, how would you like it changed?
Does this include dropping it altogether?
Does Esmi deserve a round of applause for working so hard on it all this
time, notwithstanding any of the above?
NOTE: This poll is mandatory. All afpers including lurkers (particularly
lurkers!) WILL respond [1].
[1] This is a joke. The rest of it isn't.
--
Lesley Weston.
Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289122 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 18:54 |
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Lesley Weston wrote:
> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to
> how people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>
> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
No.
Perfection is, as I'm sure you're aware, unattainable. The question
should be:
Do you think it's good enough at serving its stated purpose as it is?
Yes.
> If not, how would you like it changed?
While I think it's good enough, the recently suggested amendments posted
by esmi would make it better.
> Does this include dropping it altogether?
No.
> Does Esmi deserve a round of applause for working so hard on it all
> this time, notwithstanding any of the above?
Yes.
Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289123 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 18:57 |
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In article <C0BACCA9.4A1FE%brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk>,
brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk says...
> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to how
> people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>
> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
I doubt it - but nothing is perfect in the world.
> If not, how would you like it changed?
I may have a look at it and comment. But it didn't frighten me off whe I
read it. Most of it is basic Netiquette, which I leared in my fiorst 3
months on Usenet (which, fortunately, were just before Dejanews started
archiving everything. I think my worst faux pas have been lost).
> Does this include dropping it altogether?
Firmly, no. It is an excellent idea. Maybe with a little tweaking it
could be better, but I approv of the principle strongly.
>
> Does Esmi deserve a round of applause for working so hard on it all this
> time, notwithstanding any of the above?
Definitely. Lspace, in all its aspects, is a valuable community sxervice
and I, for one, am grateful for it. I know that people do it for no
reward, and I than them.
> NOTE: This poll is mandatory. All afpers including lurkers (particularly
> lurkers!) WILL respond [1].
Yes, Mistress.
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289124 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 18:55 |
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> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to how
> people feel about the Welcomer, so:
Beats me. What are you talking about?
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289126 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 18:59 |
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The time: 18 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk>
> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on
> afp as to how people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>
> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
Nothing is perfect in this imperfect world.
> If not, how would you like it changed?
Dunno. The reforms proposed already sound good.
> Does this include dropping it altogether?
No.
> Does Esmi deserve a round of applause for working so hard
> on it all this time, notwithstanding any of the above?
Yep <round of applause>.
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289129 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 19:08 |
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Agreed with Orjan on all counts. It's fine as is, but the suggested amended
version is even better. Esmi is, of course, deserving of much credit and
many hugs.
Peter
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289135 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 19:28 |
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Orjan Westin <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:
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> Perfection is, as I'm sure you're aware, unattainable.
Yes. Striving for it, on the other hand, should be universal.
Regards,
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*Art
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289140 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 19:52 |
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Peter Ellis wrote:
> Agreed with Orjan on all counts. It's fine as is, but the suggested amended
> version is even better. Esmi is, of course, deserving of much credit and
> many hugs.
Much as I hate to do an AOL post, I'd like to say that I agree with
Orjan and Peter.
--
Dom
afpSlave to CCA
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289151 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 20:16 |
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In article <Npglg.88109$wl.79465 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Dom
domafp [at] blueyonder.co.uk wibbled...
> Peter Ellis wrote:
> > Agreed with Orjan on all counts. It's fine as is, but the suggested amended
> > version is even better. Esmi is, of course, deserving of much credit and
> > many hugs.
>
> Much as I hate to do an AOL post, I'd like to say that I agree with
> Orjan and Peter.
And seeing as how this is a thread where AOLs are being counted, add me
to the list agreeing with those above.
Suzi
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289152 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 20:17 |
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Dom wrote:
> Peter Ellis wrote:
>> Agreed with Orjan on all counts. It's fine as is, but the
>> suggested amended version is even better. Esmi is, of course,
>> deserving of much credit and many hugs.
>
> Much as I hate to do an AOL post, I'd like to say that I agree with
> Orjan and Peter.
Me as well.
I teach writing. There is no such thing as a completely unambiguous
document.
--
4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse, AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons,
Bondage-happy predator, Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist,
AFPMistress to peachy, 8'FED's AFPDeliciousSnack, AFPFiance to A.
Nevill , Graycat's Guttersnipe
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289158 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 20:35 |
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In article <MPG.1effa8da594797f4989a02 [at] 192.168.0.3>, Suzi generously
decided to share with us..
> In article <Npglg.88109$wl.79465 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Dom
> domafp [at] blueyonder.co.uk wibbled...
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> > Peter Ellis wrote:
> > > Agreed with Orjan on all counts. It's fine as is, but the suggested amended
> > > version is even better. Esmi is, of course, deserving of much credit and
> > > many hugs.
> >
> > Much as I hate to do an AOL post, I'd like to say that I agree with
> > Orjan and Peter.
>
> And seeing as how this is a thread where AOLs are being counted, add me
> to the list agreeing with those above.
Are they still AOL/Time Warner?..
Anyway.. me too..
Gid
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289174 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 21:11 |
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:25:07 +0000, Lesley Weston wrote:
> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to how
> people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>
> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
As a newbie who hasn't seen it I have no opinion on that either way.
>
> If not, how would you like it changed?
See above ;)
>
> Does this include dropping it altogether?
Although I haven't seen it from what I have read *about* it, it does serve
a good purpose especially for those new to both AFP *and* Usenet.
So No :)
>
> Does Esmi deserve a round of applause for working so hard on it all this
> time, notwithstanding any of the above?
Yes indeedy :)
--
Kind regards,
Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289175 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 21:13 |
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:57:19 +0100, Alec Cawley wrote:
> Yes, Mistress.
Mistress? Who what where? Oops... um.. never mind :)
--
Kind regards,
Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289180 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 21:23 |
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"Lesley Weston" <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C0BACCA9.4A1FE%brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk...
> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to
> how
> people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>
> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
As stated elsewhere the original seemed off
> If not, how would you like it changed?
Yup
Amended version whilst possibly still needing other final tweaks appears
better
> Does this include dropping it altogether?
Nope
> Does Esmi deserve a round of applause for working so hard on it all
> this
> time, notwithstanding any of the above?
Yup <hands beating against each other enthusiastically>
> NOTE: This poll is mandatory. All afpers including lurkers
> (particularly
> lurkers!) WILL respond [1].
Thhrrrrppppppttttttt!
:-)
Steve
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289183 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 21:29 |
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:17:43 +0000, Anastasia wrote:
> I teach writing. There is no such thing as a completely unambiguous
> document.
I agree.
Now, am I agreeing you teach writing or that there is no such thing as an
unambiguous document, or with the original question?
All three as it happens, but I think it proves your point ;)
--
Kind regards,
Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289212 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 22:53 |
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Lesley Weston said:
> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to how
> people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>
> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
Nope. I never got one, so it appears to be suffering from targeting
difficulties. :-)
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289218 ] |
So, 18 Juni 2006 23:32 |
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:55:38 +0000, Boyd Bottorff wrote:
>> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to how
>> people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>
> Beats me. What are you talking about?
Neither do I, what on Earth's "the Welcomer" anyway.
As for the bit about esmi though, I'd like to say I always think she
deserves a round of applause for absolutely everything she does!!!
All the best
Sofie
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Please visit my deviantART page: http://sofen.deviantart.com/
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289231 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 00:24 |
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Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to
> how people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>
> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
No.
> If not, how would you like it changed?
It should be sent to the clue fairies, not the newbies, to remind the clue
fairies that a newbie has joined that they need to treat nicely, and to
remind them that change will happen over time no matter what.
Regards,
--
*Art
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289232 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 00:37 |
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Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Lesley Weston said:
>
>> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to how
>> people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>>
>> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
>
> Nope. I never got one, so it appears to be suffering from targeting
> difficulties. :-)
>
You don't have a valid mail address -> you don't get one.
And the filtering is by "known" addresses against your stated one in the
header. Probably someone had used invalid [at] invalid.invalid before you did.
BTW: The text of the welcomer was printed in another thread. Perhaps the
revised one should be shown too.
Pudde.
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289235 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 00:43 |
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Lesley Weston wrote:
> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to how
> people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>
> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
>
No, but usable.
> If not, how would you like it changed?
>
Perhaps the reference to Clue Fairies should be changed.
> Does this include dropping it altogether?
No.
>
> Does Esmi deserve a round of applause for working so hard on it all this
> time, notwithstanding any of the above?
>
Yes.
<FX: Standing ovations from a hall full of people>
BTW: Could you provide a link to the original and revised texts for the
message? I'm not quite sure how it looks ATM, and it seems that some
people didn't read the other thread.
Pudde.
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289270 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 06:11 |
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CeltiKaos wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:25:07 +0000, Lesley Weston wrote:
>
>
>>As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to how
>>people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>>
>>Do you think it's perfect as it is?
>
>
> As a newbie who hasn't seen it I have no opinion on that either way.
As a newbie who has seen it, it's good.
>
>
>>If not, how would you like it changed?
>
>
> See above ;)
I agree with those who say the suggested changes make it even better.
>
>>Does this include dropping it altogether?
>
>
> Although I haven't seen it from what I have read *about* it, it does serve
> a good purpose especially for those new to both AFP *and* Usenet.
>
> So No :)
Right, what he said.
>
>
>>Does Esmi deserve a round of applause for working so hard on it all this
>>time, notwithstanding any of the above?
>
>
> Yes indeedy :)
Yup, hip hip hooray, an' a sausage ina bun! From Mr. Dibbler.
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289285 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 09:26 |
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Pudde Fjord said:
> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> Lesley Weston said:
>>
>>> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to how
>>> people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>>>
>>> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
>>
>> Nope. I never got one, so it appears to be suffering from targeting
>> difficulties. :-)
>>
> You don't have a valid mail address -> you don't get one.
But I /do/ have a valid mail address, and it's evident from my sig block
what that mail address is. All the clue fairies need to do is learn how to
read for comprehension. If they can't do that, they have no business
sending anyone email.
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289286 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 10:24 |
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Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Pudde Fjord said:
>
>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> Lesley Weston said:
>>>
>>>> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp
>>>> as to how people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>>>>
>>>> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
>>>
>>> Nope. I never got one, so it appears to be suffering from
>>> targeting difficulties. :-)
>>>
>> You don't have a valid mail address -> you don't get one.
>
> But I /do/ have a valid mail address, and it's evident from my sig
> block what that mail address is. All the clue fairies need to do
> is learn how to read for comprehension. If they can't do that,
> they have no business sending anyone email.
Richard,
Before you start instructing others to learn how to read for
comprehension, might I suggest /you/ look at
<e6v6ui$517$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>[1]?
It was posted a couple of days before your post, and should explain
exactly why your particular obfuscation doesn't get picked up by
the *script* that examines *headers* for deliverable addresses.
What the Clue Fairies do is to go through the output of the script,
look for valid addresses in the list, and approve sending of the
mail to unfamiliar-looking people.
best wishes,
Gideon.
[1] Or
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.fan.pratchett/msg/110eb d93372304b7
for Google users.
--
(((( | ====diogenes [at] freeuk.com.=========================|
o__))))) | - Bringing permed '70s-retro hedgehogs to the =|
__ \'((((( | common people since he got bored one afternoon. =|
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289289 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 10:48 |
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In article <pan.2006.06.18.19.29.55.876691
[at] munged4usenet.removethatbitohandthisbit.kaotic.co.uk>, CeltiKaos
says...
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:17:43 +0000, Anastasia wrote:
>
> > I teach writing. There is no such thing as a completely unambiguous
> > document.
>
> I agree.
>
> Now, am I agreeing you teach writing or that there is no such thing as an
> unambiguous document, or with the original question?
>
> All three as it happens, but I think it proves your point ;)
Agreed on all counts.
--
PleegWat
Remove caps to reply
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289290 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 11:10 |
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Gideon Hallett said:
> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
>> Pudde Fjord said:
>>
>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> Lesley Weston said:
>>>>
>>>>> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp
>>>>> as to how people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
>>>>
>>>> Nope. I never got one, so it appears to be suffering from
>>>> targeting difficulties. :-)
>>>>
>>> You don't have a valid mail address -> you don't get one.
>>
>> But I /do/ have a valid mail address, and it's evident from my sig
>> block what that mail address is. All the clue fairies need to do
>> is learn how to read for comprehension. If they can't do that,
>> they have no business sending anyone email.
>
> Richard,
>
> Before you start instructing others to learn how to read for
> comprehension, might I suggest /you/ look at
> <e6v6ui$517$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>[1]?
<glingle>
Oops. I thought I was having a go at a program, and I appear to have
unwittingly hacked away at a human being instead. I apologise to the
Clue Fairies unreservedly.
</glingle>
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289297 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 11:44 |
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"Anastasia" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bNglg.7456$o4.7060 [at] newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Dom wrote:
>> Peter Ellis wrote:
>>> Agreed with Orjan on all counts. It's fine as is, but the
>>> suggested amended version is even better. Esmi is, of course,
>>> deserving of much credit and many hugs.
>>
>> Much as I hate to do an AOL post, I'd like to say that I agree with
>> Orjan and Peter.
>
> Me as well.
>
> I teach writing. There is no such thing as a completely unambiguous
> document.
>
> --
ttto 'ere we go:
AOL AOL AOL
AOl AOL AOL-L
AOL AOL AOL
AOL_L A.O.L.
rinse and repeat
Louise
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289299 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 11:47 |
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"Richard Heathfield" <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:xdydnUYZgInnzAvZRVnygA [at] bt.com...
> Pudde Fjord said:
>
>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> Lesley Weston said:
>>>
>>>> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to
>>>> how
>>>> people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>>>>
>>>> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
>>>
>>> Nope. I never got one, so it appears to be suffering from targeting
>>> difficulties. :-)
>>>
>> You don't have a valid mail address -> you don't get one.
>
> But I /do/ have a valid mail address, and it's evident from my sig block
> what that mail address is. All the clue fairies need to do is learn how to
> read for comprehension. If they can't do that, they have no business
> sending anyone email.
>
ouchitty ouch
Be *nice* children!
I'd say the average reading age here is pretty high, the manners however
could sometimes do with a bit of improvement.
Louise
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289302 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 11:55 |
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Louise Mac Mahon said:
>
> "Richard Heathfield" <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:xdydnUYZgInnzAvZRVnygA [at] bt.com...
<snip>
>> But I /do/ have a valid mail address, and it's evident from my sig block
>> what that mail address is. All the clue fairies need to do is learn how
>> to read for comprehension. If they can't do that, they have no business
>> sending anyone email.
>>
> ouchitty ouch
> Be *nice* children!
> I'd say the average reading age here is pretty high, the manners however
> could sometimes do with a bit of improvement.
Yeah, sorry about that - I misunderstood the nature of Clue Fairies. Now
that I know they're human, I'll throttle back on the diatribe level, I
promise!
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289305 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 12:54 |
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Lesley Weston wrote:
> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to
> how people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>
> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
It was close enough to perfect for me.
> If not, how would you like it changed?
I see no need.
> Does this include dropping it altogether?
No.
> Does Esmi deserve a round of applause for working so hard on it all
> this time, notwithstanding any of the above?
YES!
<round of applause>
> NOTE: This poll is mandatory. All afpers including lurkers
> (particularly lurkers!) WILL respond [1].
>
> [1] This is a joke. The rest of it isn't.
--
Ed.
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289320 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 14:28 |
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:44:38 +0100, Louise Mac Mahon wrote:
> ttto 'ere we go:
> AOL AOL AOL
> AOl AOL AOL-L
> AOL AOL AOL
> AOL_L A.O.L.
> rinse and repeat
> Louise
I thought that was the Tellytubbies on a rampage for a minute.. Oh hang
on.. that would go...
Ehh Ohhhhh
Ehh Ohhhhh
Ehh Ohhhhh
Ehh Ohhhhh
Ehhhh Ohhh
Ehh Oooohhhhhh
Ehh Ohhhhh
Ehh Ohhhhh
Ehh Ohhhhh
Eh Oh
Ehhheee Ohhhhh
It's the image of one of them with an England flag instead of an aerial
that worries me... and having half a brick in that handbag (Dipsy?)
(s'OK the ambulance is standing by ;))
--
Kind regards,
Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289321 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 14:29 |
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:11:59 +0000, Blake wrote:
> Yup, hip hip hooray, an' a sausage ina bun! From Mr. Dibbler.
You're sure that's a sausage?
--
Kind regards,
Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289323 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 14:34 |
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:24:47 +0100, Gideon Hallett wrote:
> Richard,
>
> Before you start instructing others to learn how to read for
> comprehension, might I suggest /you/ look at
> <e6v6ui$517$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>[1]?
Agreed. I assumed even before I read that post that it as primarily an
automated script doing the initial checking. That being the case explains
why it wasn't able to demunge my From: address which is decidedly
non-standard ;) I've only recently put a proper 'From:' in there.
--
Kind regards,
Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289324 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 14:49 |
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Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to how
> people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>
> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
It was good enough for me.
(Except for one point: It pointed me at to many FAQs.
However, that's the problem with having so many FAQs,
not a problem with the Welcomer.)
> If not, how would you like it changed?
<does not apply>
> Does this include dropping it altogether?
No. Definitely.
> Does Esmi deserve a round of applause for working so hard on it all this
> time, notwithstanding any of the above?
Yes. Definitely.
> NOTE: This poll is mandatory. All afpers including lurkers (particularly
> lurkers!) WILL respond [1].
I certainly wouldn't want to upset the universe
by not following what I was destined to do...
Schobi
--
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org
"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289328 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 15:28 |
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CeltiKaos said:
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:11:59 +0000, Blake wrote:
>
>> Yup, hip hip hooray, an' a sausage ina bun! From Mr. Dibbler.
>
> You're sure that's a sausage?
Are you sure that's a bun?
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289334 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 15:39 |
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The time: 19 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid>
> CeltiKaos said:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:11:59 +0000, Blake wrote:
>>
>>> Yup, hip hip hooray, an' a sausage ina bun! From Mr.
>>> Dibbler.
>>
>> You're sure that's a sausage?
>
> Are you sure that's a bun?
Depends what you mean by "bun"...
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289343 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 16:05 |
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Hendrik Schober wrote:
> Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to how
> > people feel about the Welcomer, so:
> >
> > Do you think it's perfect as it is?
>
> It was good enough for me.
> (Except for one point: It pointed me at to many FAQs.
> However, that's the problem with having so many FAQs,
> not a problem with the Welcomer.)
>
I agree, you've just posted your first post to AFP then your advised to
subscribe to another newsgroup and read loads of FAQ's. I also agree
that's it's more or a problem with having too many FAQ's than the
welcome message.
> > If not, how would you like it changed?
>
> <does not apply>
The changes esmi made are fine
>
> > Does this include dropping it altogether?
>
> No. Definitely.
Ditto
>
> > Does Esmi deserve a round of applause for working so hard on it all this
> > time, notwithstanding any of the above?
>
> Yes. Definitely.
Definitely
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289347 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 16:26 |
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on 18/06/2006 17:25 Lesley Weston said the following:
<snip>
> Does Esmi deserve a round of applause for working so hard on it all this
> time, notwithstanding any of the above?
I do appreciate the above but..
....I am not the only one who has put some effort into running the
Welcomer. elfin, Karen, Leo and Meg Thornton have all been involved
either continiously or at some point in the past. Secondly, Hamster, who
created the scripts involved, runs the 'kat from his own server in his
own time and has done so for over 6 years.
Mainly, however, I just find that it makes me feel profoundly
uncomfortable. So, with the greatest of respect, thank you for the offer
of applause but, if you don't mind, I'd rather not.
esmi
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289353 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 16:32 |
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on 18/06/2006 23:43 Pudde Fjord said the following:
<snip>
> BTW: Could you provide a link to the original and revised texts for the
> message? I'm not quite sure how it looks ATM, and it seems that some
> people didn't read the other thread.
http://www.lspace.org/fandom/afp/welcome.html
for the original
The suggested change is for the first paragraph and currently reads:
"Hello, and welcome to Alt.fan.pratchett,
If you're not new to Usenet and/or have lurked on AFP for a while, then
this document may not be something that you need to read. This document
is designed to help new posters to the group get up to speed quickly and
allow them to find useful information relating to the group."
If this text is agreed by the majority, I will then need to contact
Hamster and ask him to make the text changes. Once the amended text is
in place, I will amend the page on Lspace accordingly so that the page
reflects what is currently being sent out.
esmi
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289357 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 17:12 |
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esmi wrote:
> on 18/06/2006 23:43 Pudde Fjord said the following:
<snip>
> The suggested change is for the first paragraph and currently
> reads:
>
> "Hello, and welcome to Alt.fan.pratchett,
>
> If you're not new to Usenet and/or have lurked on AFP for a
> while, then this document may not be something that you need to
> read. This document is designed to help new posters to the group
> get up to speed quickly and allow them to find useful information
> relating to the group."
>
> If this text is agreed by the majority, I will then need to
> contact Hamster and ask him to make the text changes.
As should be transparently obvious (given my previous comments), I'm
fine with either version; as long as it remains friendly without
being too huggy-feely, it's fine by me.
If people feel that the new version reflects the current AFP view,
then let it be the latest revision to the text.
cheers,
Gideon.
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| Re: [M]Poll on Welcomer [message #289361 ] |
Mo, 19 Juni 2006 17:30 |
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Lesley Weston wrote:
> As requested, I am attempting to cause a poll to happen on afp as to how
> people feel about the Welcomer, so:
>
> Do you think it's perfect as it is?
As perfect as anything can be in an imperfect world.
>
> If not, how would you like it changed?
>
> Does this include dropping it altogether?
>
Its a good idea... and in the mists of time I *do* vaguely remember
feeling particularly welcomed... although I was also somewhat Newbieish
at the time and I remember thinking "OMG, how did they get my email
address? how did they know I'm new?? am I being stalked?!?" So, I
wouldn't scrap it.
If I did have a criticism I would say that it appears to be somewhat
long... but I can't point to anything I would snip.
> Does Esmi deserve a round of applause for working so hard on it all this
> time, notwithstanding any of the above?
A round? Heck, she deserves a square. At least.
>
> NOTE: This poll is mandatory. All afpers including lurkers (particularly
> lurkers!) WILL respond [1].
It strikes me that *true* lurkers (as opposed to part time lurkers like
myself) will never have recieved the Welcome... but will recieve it as
soon as they respond to this.
>
> [1] This is a joke. The rest of it isn't.
>
Oh... was it? Thanks for letting us know ;)
Rob
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